AS-50 Rifle

[DaveW]

For which Engine - No idea
Current Polycount - 8,893
Max Polycount - ~10,000
Texture Size - Probably 2048X2048 total
Description of background information on piece - An AS-50 rifle, with rifle sights instead of a sniper scope (looks cooler, I think).
Where are you looking to receive criticism - Anywhere.
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[Aldin Bilalovic]

it look awesome i like it allot but 8000poly count is high... all the detail could of been normal mapped and textured.... look at ur reference picture and determine what is going to be texture and what is going to be geometry is a good way to start...but overall good modeling i like it allot





Thank You,
Aldin Bilalovic

[Zeus]

which program did you use to model this? It seems like there are lots of t-junctions and vertices that are left disconnected etc? Like on the handle and the butt of the gun for example

the model looks sweet though

[DaveW]

I'm not a fan of normal maps, I'm not going to use one to substitute actual detail on the model. 8000 isn't high by modern standards by any means, UT3 has weapons that go up to over 10,000.

It's modelled in 3DSMax.

[Aldin Bilalovic]

well normal maps are used for almost every video game now on the next gen... if this is for a game i don't think it is... because a character is not even that high unless its a boxing game where you are only going to see the character up close...... u should try normal mapping... some of the detail u modeled like the little bevel and some of the small things you extrude in you will and can get the same result with a normal map and it would look the same .... i am just saying i am not trying to diss ur art work and ur work flow because it looks amazing...

[chrizz1]

Aldin, UT3 weapons do have polys over 10000 so 8000 isnt as bad as it sounds,

DaveW while I understand you dont want to sacrifice details nomrals can be put to really good use like for example the groves in the ammo clip can be normaled mapped and look just as good, along with the nuts and bolts and other indents.
Even if you dont completely get rid of the part of the model like for example the safetly switch, make a high poly safetly switch and then use that one on your model for the low poly and the normals will smooth the edges out and make it look much better.

Really I think that normal maps are a powerful tool in the game artists arsenal and not to use them would limit yourself.

good luck and btw I like the model

chris

[JPowers]

Originally Posted by DaveW

I'm not a fan of normal maps, I'm not going to use one to substitute actual detail on the model. 8000 isn't high by modern standards by any means, UT3 has weapons that go up to over 10,000.

It's modelled in 3DSMax.

Well learn to love them. And you should, it's a very powerful technology. I agree you shouldn't sacrifice detail that should be modeled in just because you can fake it a bit with normals. And with First Person weapons, normals are going to be a little less effective for the most part (because you are looking almost completely down the side of the gun). However, make yourself a nice high poly model, and bake it onto the low poly and you'll have yourself a lot of nice little subtle details (such as little to no hard edges) that will go a long way. Even if you keep all of the geometry you have for your low poly right now, and just make a matching high poly, adding some grooves and small details here and there, I think it would look like a million bucks. Normal maps can really go a long way. You just have to pick & choose where you want to substitute geometry for normal maps.

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by chrizz1

DaveW while I understand you dont want to sacrifice details nomrals can be put to really good use like for example the groves in the ammo clip can be normaled mapped and look just as good, along with the nuts and bolts and other indents.
Even if you dont completely get rid of the part of the model like for example the safetly switch, make a high poly safetly switch and then use that one on your model for the low poly and the normals will smooth the edges out and make it look much better.

Nuts/bolts and those grooves won't look as good because of the perspective. For first person weapons normal maps just don't work very well because it is clear that things are not modelled on. Normal maps don't have the sharpness of geometry, they make a blurry fake-looking raised bump effect.

[Jedah]

At the very least your could blur/overlay a texture based normalmap 10 times.

[DaveW]

Of course, I will apply a normal map to it to help define the materials and text indents on it. I'm just not going to rely on it replacing actual detail modelled on or bother making a high poly version just to have some slightly smooth edges.